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230gr Softball = 5.4gr AA#2. Soft shooting, accurate out of all my pistols. VERY ECONOMICAL (within data range from AA)
158gr SWC 357 ACTION = 14.5gr of 2400, STD primer, mixed 357 cases, firm crimp A real thumper, considered by many to be the classic load for that bullet.
158gr SWC 357 ACTION = 6.0gr Power Pistol, STD primer, 38spcl cases, firm crimp. Serious horsepower for a snubbie, data from Alliant.
148gr DEWC PPC #2 = 2.9gr AA#2. Std primer(federal), NO CRIMP. just straighten the case out leaving some lead sticking out(seat just past crimp groove)
255gr SWC Cowboy #9 = 18gr of 2400, standard primer, starline 45 colt cases. Over published max, only for ruger blackhawk/freedom arms. Very accurate, lots of thump
300gr TC 45 Silhouette = 19.5gr of 2400. standard primer 45 colt cases, very hot. It hurts, bad. I dont want to shoo more than 6. But its fun. It will also kill anything that needs killing.
200gr SWC IDP#1 = 4.6gr 700x. std primer mixed cases. These are great action pistol rounds, or target loads. Brass lands two feet to the right, nice little pile. VERY CLEAN
180gr IDP#5 = 5.9GR AA#5, S&B primer, mixed cases. Very accurate. Feels like factory ammo, groups very well. Scary good.
Some results for the 125 TC in a 9mm. Using mil surp brass (Win), 5.0 gr Power Pistol, and a CCI 500 primer, OAL is a bit short due to the chamber dimensions of my XDm at 1.040. Feed and function is excellent, load is not max, and is very accurate. Most target work is done at 50 ft with 1-1.5" groups normal with this load if I do my part. This bullet may not be made specifically for the 9mm, but works really well. This load in rapid fire will hold a 6" Shoot n See as long as I do what I should.
Same overall results using the 115gr RN with minor changes in powder charge 5.2-5.5 gr of Power Pistol, all other components the same. Velocity of the 5.5 gr load runs just over 1200 fps, so it is a bit warm, but not max. No point in going over that load. Accuracy, again at 50 ft, is outstanding as well, just a bit bigger at 1.5-2.0" groups.
Keep in mind, these groups for both bullets can run much tighter for a better shooter. For me that is really good performance. Both of these loads shoot to the sights without being high, low, etc. With both of these loads, because of the alloy being hard, you may get some minor leading at the throat of the barrel, if you use a faster powder like Bullseye, Red Dot, or Titegroup. I like Power Pistol for the 9mm because it is somewhat slower than the others I listed, and I don't get that leading with this powder. Your pistol may be different, however.
For 45 LC using the 250 gr RNFP ( Cowboy#1), I use 6.0 gr Titegroup for 1-1.5" groups from a Lipsey's Ruger Blackhawk. I have not seen any leading at all. I have this load in Remington cases, Starline works well also, and Wolf LP primers. I have used CCI 300's with little to no difference between load performance. I do use a firm crimp, and from what I can tell right now, assume these are running right around 850-880 fps. Max load according to Hodgdon is 6.2 for this powder/ bullet combo for those interested.
I have been using 231 for my .40 S&W loads. When I ordered the 140 gr lead bullets, it wasn't until I received them that I realized there is not much data out there for the loads. The Lyman book had data for 135 gr and 150 gr so I started low and worked up until it felt and shot good. The surprise is that the load came out at 5.5 gr of 231 with standard small pistol primer, I tried some with the small magnum primer also at 5.5 gr, totally fine. Now the great surprise is that 5.5 gr is what I use with my 180 jacketed hollow points. So for me, I can load 5.5 gr of 231 in either the 140 gr or the 180 gr. bullets, no changing the powder measure....
Range report for 9mm .356 SmallBall 125 grain LRN bullets:
--Hodgdon Universal Clays powder
--Reloading w/Lee Pro 1000, .46 Auto Disk Measure (throwing 4.2 gr. as measured w/RCBS scale)
--CCI #500 primers
--UMC and Winchester once-fired brass
Excited to try new MBC bullets...at about 20 feet, shot first 6 rounds almost through same hole. Fantastic combo, especially on first try, thank you MBC!
here is my data for 357 mag, u might find it useful
all loads are using BlueDot powder and Small Mag pistol Primers and 158 grain bullets from http://www.missouribullet.com/
these loads do not lead even at max loads!
all loads will print about a inch at 20 yards
all numbers based on 6 shot groups
Blue Dot Loads in S&W Highway Patrolman
grains vel enegry es
9.0 1147 461 95
10.0 1206 510 88
10.5 1274 569 37
11.0 1308 600 30
11.5 1343 633 47
12.0 1385 672 75
12.5 1410 698 38
Blue Dot Loads in Ruger Blackhawk
grains vel enegry es
9.5 1263 560 51
10.0 1308 600 56
10.5 1364 652 70
11.0 1399 687 40
11.5 1444 731 59
12.0 1519 809 47
12.5 1541 833 31
on a graph the velocity is very linear, while the ES's show a nice curve with 11.0 being the choice load so we shoot it as our everyday load. not a really light load, but not full house. very shootable, we go though 200 per gun a session
#401180M (IDP#5) - Try WW 231 powder - 5.2 gr, with cci small pistol primer - about 900 fps, and shot a 4" group at 30 feet with a S&W M&P compact. Works great!! --- Ken B.
I have shot over 200 rounds using the .40 180Gr and Cone 170Gr bullets. They shoot fine. I use a PMC small pistol primer, 5.6 grains of Ramshot Sillhouette pistol powder in both loads. Produces a round I estimate is 800-900 FPS and low pressure around 22,000 PSI. Cycles gun well. Great for plinking. Shooting in Glock 22. Checked factory barrel after 100 rounds, virtually no lead buildup. Rounds are so low power that they don't bulg casings at un-supported area of glock barrel so I feel safe continuing to use this formula for producing low cost reloads without danger to myself.
I have fired about 1000 rounds, in a Glock 21 with a Lone Wolf Distributor barrel (I choose not to risk firing lead in the factory polygonal barrel. The savings of lead rounds over jacketed pays for a barrel which is more likely to be safe, in only 1000 rounds or so.)
I'm loading on a progressive press, using Universal Clays powder. 5.2-5.8 grains have all worked very well, and is enough to drop "pepper popper" steel targets at shooting events. COAL is about 1.260''. The only problem with these is that the nose of the bullet is a little longer than some SWC's, meaning the shoulder of the bullet is a little shorter. This limits the range of adjustment you have with COAL somewhat. If your gun wants something 1.250'' or shorter, there won't be any bullet shoulder to run up the feed ramp. This can be a big deal if thats the case. Leading is minimal if the hardness is matched with correct charges.
Otherwise these bullets are great. The lube does not smoke very much with U-Clays, and I will shortly be trying Bullseye out. Good product and good price. Next on my list are the RNFP's. -- EJS
Just fired off 20 rounds of Missouri Bullet Co. 147gr lead flat point in a M&P Pro 9mm. Decided to try something new - last 1k were MBC 125gr LRN. No problems, just curious for something new. My Lee Auto Disc .32 threw about 4.9 ±.1 of Accurate #5. At the range, alternated 1st 4 with old batch of 115gr Rainier plated pushed by 3.8gr of Clays. 147's felt slightly softer, but, WAY BETTER accuracy! Went on to shoot 16 more, with no plated in-between. Leading was light, mid-barrel, and cleaned easily with 10 strokes of ChoreBoy & CLP. -- Bob
Here is some of my personal observations based on my equipment and methods.
All are based on 10 shot strings from an H & K USP .45 full size (octagonal barrel). Barrel cleaned between strings and mixed range brass. I have been working on an IPSC major power factor load. I have had no feed errors. A 1.240 OAL leaves just a few thousand inches of the bullet shoulder exposed above the case neck. The octagonal barrelcoupled with the .452 bullet seems to give a lot higher velocity than I have seen with most load data (can you have too good of a seal?).
Hodgdon Clays powder
Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr
Charge/vel (Ft sec)
3.9 861 (heavy smoke)
4.0 876 (heavy smoke)
Some leading at 3.8 progressively gets worse to 4.0
Hodgdon Clays powder
Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr
3.9 839 (heavy smoke)
Some leading at 3.6. Little to no leading at 3.7-3.9.
Hodgdon Universal Clays powder
Missouri Bullet IDP #1 .452 LSWC.452 LSWC 200 gr
5.7 858 (my new IPSC load)
Some leading at 5.3. Little to no leading at 5.5 and 5.7
Hodgdon Universal Clays powder
Missouri Bullet Bullseye #1 .452 LSWC 200 gr
6.0 878 (min load from Hodgdon for a .451 LSWC)
First trial load with universal powder, way too heavy for a soft bullet heaving leading
Thumbs up 30-30 Cast bullet trials
After getting into loading this year and really enjoying it I decided to purchase a Marlin 336 in 30-30 to explore the possibilities of this cartridge.
I have found that with jacketed bullets the system has pretty much been refined to where anybody with basic loading experience will have success. Its an easy bullet to load and many powders work well with jacketed bullets.
However, I like to shoot and I like to shot a lot! In these times the cost of jacketed bullets is just not in my budget for the volume of bullets I throw down range. This leads me to cast bullets.
Like jacketed bullets, cast bullets have also been pretty much dialed in enough to get in the ball park but there are a few items I waned to share that if I had known would have saved me a lot of time.
1.) Buy a Lyman cast bullet relaoding book! No kidding, this book has information that YOU WILL NOT FIND ON THE INTERNET!
2.) Commercial made gas check lead bullets will not save you a bunch of money over jacketed unless you buy volume. http://www.westernbullet.com/ly3gr2.html
3.) Commercial made plain base bullets WILL save you a bunch of money. http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=6
4.) Make sure ALL of the copper fouling is out of the barrel before you shoot cast bullets.
5.) Plain base cast bullets are best ran between 1000 and 1400 FPS.
6.) Plain base bullets love fast burning shotgun and pistol powders.
7.) There is no load data for plain base cast rifle in any of the reloading books
After many trial runs with the missouri plain base bullets I would like to share what I found so far....
H335: Great with jacketed bullets. Bad with plain base cast bullets. Burns the lube of the bullet before exiting barrel. Leads the end of the barrel. Bullets fly all over the place!
H4227: Shoots PB cast bullets straight at velocities under 1300 FPS. 1400 FPS and over and you get flyers. Smokes quite a bit. No leading under 1300 FPS.
Unique: Works well with 7-10 grains. No leading. Keep below 1300 FPS. Smokes but is accurate.
Red Dot: Works the best for lead plain base up to 1400 FPS. Almost no smoke which tells me its not burning much lube. No leading under 1400 fps
After many tests I have found that I can run both Missouri bullet company's 135 and 165 grain plain base bullets over 6.5 grains of Red Dot and get same point of aim accuracy as I do full power jacketed bullets out to 100 yards. The small powder charge does not have an effect on accuracy and I do not use any fillers. There is virtually no smoke from the bullet lube being burned and there is no leading. I would compare the sound and recoil to that of a .22 magnum. This load allows me to use the same sight settings with both full power loads and reduced loads.
The Lyman Cast Bullet handbook is where you will find the best information and loads for the velocity you are trying to achieve.
Missouri Bullet Company is the best commercial resource I have found for cast bullets. I run them in my pistols, revolvers, and rifles. They are spot on when it comes to customer service and shipping. I've never had to wait over five days for an order to be on my door step.
Next, I will try my hand at casting for the 30/30. I'm going the cheap route, Lee Bullet mold, liquid Alox, wheel weights, coleman stove, and cast iron pot!
Wish me luck -- Ventura Guy
The recipe I've been shooting has actually got me excited about shooting again! I'm using a MBC Bullseye No. 1, over 4.1gr (.61cc) of Clays and a Federal 150 primer. COAL is 1.24. This load is soft-shooting, accurate (can consistently put 1", 5rd holes at 15yds off hand), and astonishingly clean. After 50rds fired, there is almost no depositing on the gun and I could literally pick the spent brass up off the ground and reload it! Barrel shows no signs of leading after 200rds. No smoke, no muzzle flash.
Simply best load I've ever fired through a pistol!